Associate Pastor of Covenant Community Churches and of Senior's Ministries
- Please list your education.
- Phoenix Christian High School, 1965.
- Phoenix College, 1965-67, Business.
- LIFE Pacific College, 1979-1985, BA Pastoral Theology.
- Previous lines of work
- During & before high school – Lawn route, paper route, Dairy Queen, Animal Hospital, dishwasher, grocery store work, car stereo installation, painted signs.
- Army Reserve, 1967-73.
- The high-end furniture business, labor, then sales staff, moving toward a position as a buyer.
- Ministry work began in 1974.
- Worked for Federal-Mogul, 1979-1985 while going to school and in ministry.
- Planted NW Fellowship in Phoenix, 1985-2001.
- Construction-hole drilling from 1985-1991 to support my family during the early years of our church plant.
- Associate Pastor MGT, 2001-2015, Exec Pastor, 2015-2017.
- Founded, led, and taught in Quad Cities School of Ministry for 10 years.
- The present role: Campus Associate Pastor, New Hope Milan.
- Salvation experience
Born again in May 1955 at Angeles Temple, Los Angeles. Lived as a nominal believer from 1965 to 1974. Jesus, I was OK with, all the other stuff I wasn’t so sure about. My father was diagnosed with colon cancer in 1974, rocked my world and Sue and I made a commitment to the Lord and we have never looked back! Became involved in ministry work along with my good friend Noel Wilcox in 1974.
- List some fun facts about you.
- I love playing my guitar.
- I love riding my motorcycle.
- Chuck Smith, Jr. and I were sneaking out of youth camp in 1965 or 66 to take a hike into town (Williams, AZ) when we were caught by AG Evangelist/Missionary, Elroy Clark when Elroy informed me that I had been selected “Camper of the Year.” He offered us grace if we would simply return to our cabin! Chuck Smith, Sr. was our camp speaker that year!
- Best advice you were ever given.
- My dad told me, “Always be worth more than you’re paid.” That has stayed with me through the years, and I have raised my kids that way.
- Also, I have always told my children, “Remember who you are!” Meaning you are who God and His word say you are. They have returned that advice to me a few times over the years.
- Also, I heard Norman Schwarzkopf say, “If you are given responsibility, take charge, and if you don’t know what to do, do the right thing.” That too has stayed with me!
- A most embarrassing moment.
This occurred in Westminster, California at the Westminster Foursquare Church in 1978. We were conducting our first baptism at this church on a Sunday night, I was charged with the responsibility of filling the baptismal font on Sunday afternoon before the baptismal. I did it carefully, ran water in from the water heater as well as another inlet, got the temp at 4:00 pm or so just a little too warm (it would cool by 6:30 service time). I was also charged with leading worship that night, so the baptismal candidates were dismissed to change toward the end of the worship service. I was working with my friend, Noel Wilcox, and while finishing up the worship service, I heard a “psssst” from behind me, I turned around, and Noel was peeking through the platform curtains and said to me, the baptismal is almost empty. I was shocked and embarrassed, the drain plug had shrunk over years of use and while it was full at 4, it wasn’t at 7! They had to run garden hoses from several spots to try to get it full enough, and it was in November, so the water was cold. In the meantime, I drug out every song I knew and was starting to recycle them. On top of that, there was a large person being baptized and Noel had to do a partial dunk and partial splashing type of baptism for her. We laugh about that every time we think about it!
- People might be surprised to know about you:
I was set on attending Phoenix Christian High School that I worked 3 part-time jobs all the way through high school and paid my own tuition since my folks couldn’t afford to take care of it for me.
- Hangout with one person from the Bible who would it be and why? (other than Jesus because we would all like to do that. )
There are two in the OT and one in the NT. Caleb and Joshua both because they saw what others couldn’t see and were quite vocal about it happening, yet they went through the 40 processes along with all the others so they could eventually see the promised land.
Peter in the NT because he had a similar attitude, willing to go simply upon the Lord’s command!
- What book are you currently reading?
- “Preaching that Connects” by Mark Galli and Craig Brian Larson, published in the ’90s but still relevant.
- “The Blessed Church,” by Robert Morris.
- What advice would you give your teenage self?
Invest more in your future, Spiritually, educationally, and financially. Start NOW, don’t wait till you have the time or resources, just DO IT NOW!